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	<title>Comments on: Getting women into technology jobs</title>
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	<description>Late-40&#039;s feminist engineer talks about everything not about BPM</description>
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		<title>By: sandy</title>
		<link>http://www.sandyofftopic.com/2007/02/getting-women-into-technology-jobs/comment-page-1/#comment-1424</link>
		<dc:creator>sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alec, maybe it&#039;s the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iotum.com/about_team.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;wanted poster&quot; type page&lt;/a&gt; that you have showing the team: like your presentation, probably supposed to be funny, but not likely to make women feel like they want to be part of that particular team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alec, maybe it&#8217;s the <a href="http://www.iotum.com/about_team.php" rel="nofollow">&#8220;wanted poster&#8221; type page</a> that you have showing the team: like your presentation, probably supposed to be funny, but not likely to make women feel like they want to be part of that particular team.</p>
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		<title>By: pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 00:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alec, it doesn&#039;t have to be  guytoys at your place: it could have been at places they interviewed previously that turned them off small start-ups, or it could have been at University.

But that raises another issue: have you looked at your ads and your corporate personna:  are they doing things that turn women off? 

Are they doing anything to turn women *on*?

Have you had a woman in technology review your ads or your website?  

Our society&#039;s use of language and imagery is full of subconscious and non-verbalized assumptions that actually transmit themselves quite clearly to identify   a desired in-group and out-group in many pieces of communication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alec, it doesn&#8217;t have to be  guytoys at your place: it could have been at places they interviewed previously that turned them off small start-ups, or it could have been at University.</p>
<p>But that raises another issue: have you looked at your ads and your corporate personna:  are they doing things that turn women off? </p>
<p>Are they doing anything to turn women *on*?</p>
<p>Have you had a woman in technology review your ads or your website?  </p>
<p>Our society&#8217;s use of language and imagery is full of subconscious and non-verbalized assumptions that actually transmit themselves quite clearly to identify   a desired in-group and out-group in many pieces of communication.</p>
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		<title>By: Alec Saunders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alec Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 22:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s those things, Pat.  We don&#039;t even get many women applicants.  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s those things, Pat.  We don&#8217;t even get many women applicants.  </p>
<p>A</p>
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		<title>By: pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 22:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Testosterone levels.

They show up in job ads. Things the guys think are innocuous s enticements, like co-ed teams in what are usually masculine contact sports (might be co-ed, but there aren&#039;t many women trying out for the team -- or gay men, either)..

Things like guy toys in the break-out rooms. Candidates getting a tour of the facilities see these things. They may not register consciously, but I suspect that the pervasive maleness of the atmosphere comes across.

For a woman, it&#039;s a bit like going into Calvin&#039;s tree fort.
http://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/2007/01/19/
only without the punch line.

...pat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Testosterone levels.</p>
<p>They show up in job ads. Things the guys think are innocuous s enticements, like co-ed teams in what are usually masculine contact sports (might be co-ed, but there aren&#8217;t many women trying out for the team &#8212; or gay men, either)..</p>
<p>Things like guy toys in the break-out rooms. Candidates getting a tour of the facilities see these things. They may not register consciously, but I suspect that the pervasive maleness of the atmosphere comes across.</p>
<p>For a woman, it&#8217;s a bit like going into Calvin&#8217;s tree fort.<br />
<a href="http://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/2007/01/19/" rel="nofollow">http://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/2007/01/19/</a><br />
only without the punch line.</p>
<p>&#8230;pat.</p>
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